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I love reading about what a bunch of men think about women having a parasite that must be painfully expelled after most of a year. At least Amy Coney Barrett speaks from experience. Pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting are unimaginably (for those who haven’t experienced it, including ALL MEN) life-changing, painful, and if chosen, glorious. Men cannot begin to imagine what it is like to be pregnant and give birth.

I get that the column is about fetal personhood. A fetus is at its simplest a parasite in a woman’s body. For those of us who want to reproduce, pregnancy can be the most powerful, meaningful, and holy experience of our lives. I’ll repeat: you cannot begin to imagine what it is like.

Thank you Greg for providing an excellent example of why the phrase “we’re pregnant” is so ridiculous, and why men need to STFU about abortion. It is simple: if you don’t like abortion, don’t have one.

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We have no further to look for the long standing definition of personhood than the Vatican nation. The very entity that is now trying to redefine what was already defined many centuries ago. As someone who was steeped in Vatican theology for 11 yrs including theological college, it was drummed into us that the definition of a person is a rational being. Angels are persons. There are 3 persons in one God. That may not be the scientific view but it most definitely was the traditional view of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. BTW they're the only major group that still supports the Arizona Supreme court's recent ruling that the state can enforce a 160-year-old near-total abortion ban passed in 1864.

In fact a Vatican sacrament is predicated on "age of reason" personhood. That sacrament is Confirmation. "The National Conference of Catholic Bishops, in accord with the prescriptions of canon 891, hereby decrees that the Sacrament of Confirmation in the Latin rite shall be conferred between the age of discretion and about sixteen years of age, within the limits determined by the diocesan bishop..." The "age of discretion" is the age in which a person is able to distinguish between right and wrong. In other words the ability to reason.

Vatican surrogates like Leonard Leo/Federalist Society/Extreme Court would have us believe that a person can be anything that's convenient to their ideology whether it be a fetus, corporation, embryo etc. But that's not in keeping with their Vatican theology for millennia.

https://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/canon-law/complementary-norms/canon-891-age-for-confirmation#:~:text=The%20National%20Conference%20of%20Catholic%20Bishops%2C%20in%20accord%20with%20the,and%20with%20regard%20for%20the

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