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Derek Smith's avatar

Watch your 6, Greg.

Greg Olear's avatar

Roger that, Derek. Eyes in the back of my head...

Deepak Puri's avatar

Greg: Great research! Always, follow the money (or should that be crypto now?

Why did Trump pardon former Honduran President? Follow the money to Próspera — the crypto billionaire controlled island in Honduras.

https://thedemlabs.org/2025/12/04/trump-pardons-former-honduran-president-prospera-peter-thiel-andreessen/

Greg Olear's avatar

Thanks, Deepak. As usual, your work here is fantastic!

BearPondBoy's avatar

I haven't even read this yet, but...Tony, Orlando and Don = 💀

Reading now....

Greg Olear's avatar

Thanks...I was delighted with that one myself... : )

Old Man's avatar

Hmnn, a lot to process, perhaps too much.

Are we living a Bond movie? Is the dumbass ErnstBlofeld? Nah, too stupid. Cental America could be a base for every Bond villain's location. If we are living a Bond movie when the fuck will James show up and save us.

I'm add Hilda to my "undead" list along with epstein and robert maxwell.

Greg Olear's avatar

IYou know what they say: you only live twice.

was excited when they put all the Bond movies on Netflix, but I find that I've seen them so many times, I don't get the same enjoyment out of them. The only one I can watch over and over is "Diamonds Are Forever," and I'm not even sure why.

The first time I saw this I cried, I was laughing so hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyrp3aR-ytE

Old Man's avatar

Thanks. Out just now, absolutely beautiful day here in London. So pleased nukes remain in their silos. Shall watch video when home, sure I will enjoy. Have a peaceful day, enjoy our two week respite.

Old Man's avatar

Saw the video, smashing!

Kat Hart's avatar

Though not prominent, (unless he appears in Senator Wyden's demand to 'follow the money', yet to be seen), Paul Romer is in the Epstein files. Was part of Brockman's 'Edge' elite private group as were Epstein and Thiel. EFTA00970054; EFTA00738932

Greg Olear's avatar

Thanks, Kat. I meant to cross-reference with the files. He's certainly ideologically aligned with that group, if nothing else.

Kat Hart's avatar

One doesn't know whether to cry over the international damage caused or fall back to anger towards Trump voters again.

Greg Olear's avatar

Yesterday I found myself in a state of pure rage.

Kat Hart's avatar

You are not alone. I spent yesterday listening to victims’ stories on YT while I continued to sort through the files I have. The most impactful albeit longest was Jena Lisa Jones. My god what she’s lived through. Towards the end, she spoke about the failure of our justice system and how it continues to impact lives.

We MUST do something about this; force Congress and the DOJ to do their job in spite of the continuing betrayal in the WH circle. Epstein’s global crime enterprise should never have fallen into in party politics.

People broke laws. Let’s focus on that simple fact.

Greg Olear's avatar

That's a perfect way to frame it. We don't need new laws. We just need to enforce the ones we have.

The problem is, who can enforce them? That's the problem now.

Lisbeth Farnum's avatar

It’s TUESDAY🎉Happy World War III to all who celebrate😳. Special elections today in Virginia and Wisconsin!

Greg Olear's avatar

Liberal judge won in WI. : )

Lisbeth Farnum's avatar

🎉🎉🎉🎉

Wd52's avatar

Anyone super-rich is a target for Trump favouritism or blackmail. This is typical Trump. Shameful and this pardon must be overturned. Would that take a Constitutional Amendment to overturn?

Greg Olear's avatar

They are going to have to fix the pardon power...one of many many many things we need to tweak before we are taken seriously as a nation ever again.

Honduras's Supreme Court is better than ours.

Sharon Dymond's avatar

"Honduras is the original banana republic; that term was coined by O. Henry in a 1904 short story drawn from his experiences working there. The United Fruit Company (later rebranded as Chiquita) and the Standard Fruit Company (Dole) had the run of the place for the decades, starting in the McKinley years. In exchange for land rights and other concessions, these mighty corporations established trading centers, built railroads, and developed infrastructure along the northern coast of the country—not that the average Honduran derived much benefit from the arrangement. To safeguard these lucrative commercial interests, the U.S. sent troops to Honduras in 1903, 1907, 1911, 1912, 1919, 1924, and 1925."

Greg, this passage landed squarely in my wheelhouse.

What you’re describing isn’t just geopolitical history—it’s also commercial art history, and the two are inseparable. I’ve spent decades with the printed ephemera of that era—fruit crate labels, coffee labels, barrelheads—and you can actually see the banana republic story unfolding in ink and chromolithography. You know, those coastal elites on the Gulf of Mexico.

The phrase “banana republic,” coined by O. Henry, may sound literary, but the machinery behind it was brutally concrete. Companies like United Fruit Company and Standard Fruit Company didn’t just move fruit—they manufactured entire visual worlds to sell it. And those worlds were… aspirational, to put it politely.

The labels I have from Guatemala and Honduras are extraordinary—lush jungles, abundant harvests, noble peasants, smiling “natives,” pristine rail lines cutting through Eden. A kind of tropical Arcadia. What’s missing, of course, is everything you just outlined: the coups, the concessions, the Marines landing again and again to stabilize “conditions.”

And here’s the part I find most fascinating: the infrastructure you mention—railroads, ports, shipping lines—shows up everywhere in the labels. Not as instruments of extraction, but as symbols of progress and benevolence. The same rail line that carried bananas to the docks carried a story back to American consumers: that this was orderly, modern, and mutually beneficial.

It wasn’t.

Your timeline of U.S. interventions maps almost perfectly onto the explosion of this packaging and branding culture. The fruit companies weren’t just controlling land and labor—they were controlling narrative. The crate label was Instagram before Instagram: a curated, idealized image shipped north with every box.

I’ve often thought that if you really want to understand the banana republic, don’t just read the diplomatic history—look at the labels. They’re propaganda, yes, but they’re also artifacts of belief. They show us not just what Americans were told, but what they wanted to believe.

Happy to share a few Guatemalan examples sometime—they’re as revealing as any State Department memo.

Greg Olear's avatar

Sharon, thanks for this. Totally fascinating! The only thing I know that's similar is cigar labels...at work, we had a big box of them, since sold, that had all manner of colorful scenes. I'd never really thought of them as propaganda before, but of course they are.

I liked it better when it was just beautiful lush scenes and not dull copy about how green and wonderful the company is, like we have now...

Sharon Dymond's avatar

Greg, thanks for inspiring me to write something about banana republics for my Thursday post.

John McNellis Rich's avatar

Greg and Sharon: Duhh, err, uhh ….. The literary gag use of Tony Orlando and Don referencing Tony Orlando and Dawn is slick like a fast feet windsurfer killing it over rough waves. It’s double edged in that Tony Orlando and Dawn’s AM car radio bubblegum pop - Up With America schmaltz was part of Justice Lewis Powell’s guidance to corporate America to restore sociopolitical order for oligarchs or lose control to surging counter-culture that was represented in FM hippy bands like Hendrix Experience, Cream, Jefferson Airplane and The Dead. To young’uns like me steeped in the Filmore East aesthetic, Tony Orlando and Dawn were gag inducing, no talent freaks cashing in working for the man. <> And Jayzuzz F’ng Cryced, your long form expose’ here and adjacent comments are so loaded with themes for screenplay development, I have to chip in. Iran doing this shit is no match for your talented video creator friends: Kurt Vonnegut Jr. (a same age neighbor and friend of my mother growing up in Depression era Indianapolis) and Nixon face back- tatoo’d Roger Stone meet in a sidewalk café outside of the Vatican to share war stories in summer of 1970. Bilaji Srinivasan as waiter surreptitiously takes notes. Teenage Leonard Leo in Brooks Brother’s suit and his Dad’s fedora tipped low over his eyes listens two tables away with his back to Kurt & Bilaji. Melania folds dough in the kitchen. A scruffy Billy Pilgrim walks by in cut-off shorts, sandals & tee-shirt, passing through to Amsterdam from India. (The Alfred Hitchcock cameo) <> Billy time-trips to a longshoreman’s gear shed inside a freight terminal in Elizabeth, NJ handing out leather -neck- shoulder-back protectors to longshoremen unloading crates of bananas from Honduras in 1965. My brother Bill and cousin Bobby receive theirs and head to the hold of a Grace Lines breakbulk freighter. (Scorpions had an easy ride on the one-week trip up through the Caribbean to the Kill Van Kull ship terminal, across the Jersey Turnpike from Newark airport.) The bananas came up in big, +/- 70 pound bunches straight from the plantations. The terminal warehouses, the pier, and open ship holds were redolent of coffee and bananas. The sound of ships booms working and forklifts motoring along the wharf and pallets banging on the concrete deck inside the terminal was soundtrack to the action. The bananas must have been crated somewhere in Jersey or NY enroute from bunch to crates to retail receiving docks. Those surviving excellent label art images are potent and subtle reminders of how recently the United Fruit / CIA / 20th century colonial dynamo existed and still does chug along with some new narcotic product and more overt mafia control.

Greg Olear's avatar

I think it's more of a show than a movie...we really want to flesh out all those characters!

"Knock Three Times" is a perfect pop song. Absolutely perfect. Aside from that, I have no skin in the game. I didn't even know "Dawn" was two people until yesterday...

John McNellis Rich's avatar

The bad fake reality TV / self-generating mockumentary titled Trump-Vance 47 (TV47) is whipping out existentially dangerous absurdity in hyperdrive. Itza fascist mafia extortion racket morphing into a blend of Rocky Squirrel - The Bullwinkle Show, Neauseating Pat Boone-ish / Up With America bullshit, and Star Trek. It’s tough being sober and responsible when there’s so much flux in Starship Enterprises’ warp drive <> To consolidate cast for the Vatican to Port of NY/NJ - Elizabeth adventure, it’s clear that three dipshits from The Bullwinkle show are a must: Putin as Boris Badenov, 47 as Dear Leader, and Melania (the girl with the super-power Maybelene eyes) as Natasha Fatale. Since the Rocky Bullwinkle show flourished in the pre-counter culture & psychadelic phase, and for good mashup weirdness, maybe the protagonists, instead of being Squirrel & Moose should be Speedy Gonzales from Looney Tunes & Robert Crumb’s Zap Comix - Mr. Natural as Moose . It seems Billy Pilgrim would be the Forest Gump-like wandering observer / narrator. Somehow major dipshit, Roger Stone needs to be worked in as a shit stirring villian. Trump has his hand clinching give away when he’s lying (always) Maybe a Roger Stone character’s Nixon back tatoo could turn into Christ’s Shroud or Turin image when he’s explicitly lying. Melania/Natasha can see it with her superpower Maybelene vision so she’s the Oracle interpreter. <> Up With America was before your time. It was rad-right commercial propaganda; 1950s-like squeaky clean white kids singing wholesome, Mom and apple pie songs with horrible / square arranging. It was supposed to be an attractive Alka Seltzer type stabilizer to counteract Woodstock / anti-war activism. It was absolutely laughable (self-generating mocumentary) stuff. Our high school made it mandatory attendance to watch one of their propaganda films at assembly during my senion year in high school, (spring 1971). I and a few other hippi got up and walked out. The Vice-Principal (A big former Cornell Linebacker) blocked me from leaving. Others scooted out other doors at the back of the auditorium. The VP went after them and I boogied out to the parking lot. A bunch of us took off to the beach. <> https://youtu.be/9WGFV3xptok?si=-7OEDzY_l-VBEB2-

John McNellis Rich's avatar

The show could be: TV47 is manipulated by Thiel to turn USA into a banana republic. Billy Pilgrim ends up the tool crib guy on a 1960s pier in Elizabeth leased by Grace Lines, one of the big US steamship companies with routes around Latin America. Better to use Grace than Isbrandtsen Line in that era because Grace being vertical multinational had production and wholesale to retail stores in Latin Ameica & Caribbean. The Port of NY/NJ rackets were controlled by Vito Genovese. Fred Trump was aligned with Roy Cohn. You've previously interviewed people who reported the Trump. Cohn Genovese, & Gambino connections. <> The reality of rackets on the piers was real mafia shit the public is mostly ignorant about; been conditioned to think Mob is The Sopranos / entertainment; never had first hand experience being the target for coersion to facilitate crime or be shaken down for protection / extortion. The people who lived in the Port neighborhoods and/or had businesses that had anything to do with Port activity were victims of extortion before US DOJ figured out how to implement the RICO statutes on system-wide basis. They busted up the mob in 1976 to 85/85 ish. Crime changed. Russians got more influential and Columbians went crazy trying to take vertial control of narcotics heavy importation and distribution = undeclared war with US forces from military to FBI and state police. <> So, that's the link with bananas and mafia crime. Now with Thiel getting ripped by the Vatican for his bullshit heresy with the antiChrist lectures, and furniture lust Vance stroking Orban while Russia returns to the oil market and raises cash for more war crimes in Ukraine, there's a whole lotta hard to fathom stuff going on. <> More on the banana sthick is supposedly 47 wants control of the Western Hemisphere in the fascist mafia/ hegemonic triumvarite of Russia/China/US. <> A plot twist, maybe not so far fetched, is Thiel and Vance get themselves excommunicated from The RCC if 47's war department threatens the Papal Nuncio to the US again. By the way, did you catch that Thiel thinks Greta Thunburg is the Antichrist? Hard to make up anything weirder: A self generating, Christofascist mocumentary.

Sharon Dymond's avatar

I'm dropping a piece on my fabled labels tomorrow at 10 am eastern. Some fabulous images.

Cathy @narcaware's avatar

Fun fact: Guess who injected the concept of charter cities into the minds of the anti eu politicians who needed the bait to make them salivate at the thought of uk becoming "Singapore on Thames" a regulation free zone of

Post Brexit utopia?....

Grover Norquists uk protege.

Matthew Elliott

Tax Payers Alliance founder that imported the teaparty tactics of astroturfing bullshit into the arteries of uk media, shaping policy on lies, inventing crisis where there was none via an explosion of right wing thinktanks and shaped the Truss calibre Conservatives that David Cameron destroyed the country with...

He was also head of Westminster Friends of Russia ( see Michael Weiss c2012/13)

And...

Yes...Ceo of

Vote Leave... The ones that Cambridge Analytica were employed by via Aggrigate iq

The ones that Facebook colluded with to cheat the electorate.

He's the reason why I became a twitter user.

Could smell the corruption...

It was off.

For me... He was ground fucking zero.

There's no end to the shit he's involved in. Guess where he is now?

House of lords. Rewarded by Boris named after a Russian spy Johnson.

Yes... UK has a chartered city problem... Watered down to 'freeports'. That's another story.

Blood pressure just spikes every time I think of him especially. Mainly because I was early to catch on to what he was. My first ever thread featured him heavily.

Ps. Cameron was all for brexit. He was in on the whole thing from 2005 on.

Greg Olear's avatar

Thanks for this, Cathy. I'd never heard of this guy! What an asshole!

I've long maintained that BREXIT and Trump were the same op in two different countries. That makes Elliott a Kremlin useful idiot, at the most charitable.

I'm guessing you already know that Boris and Ghislaine went to school together and knew each other a little back then...I always found it funny...not haha funny but funny...that he was so obviously Russia'd up his name was BORIS. Like, should have seen that coming...

I will read up more on him. Pls share the link to your thread, if it's convenient to do so. I'd like to see.

Cathy @narcaware's avatar

Yes... Total Asshole. Another Teflon coated invisibility cloak wearing roon skirter. Looks like a dick too. Yes!!! Have so many recipts for Johnson's Dad and Her dad and that spy.. You should check out Stanley Johnson's Books.. Titles. I shit you not. They essentially teabagging us without consent.. Telling us what they're all doing.

On Elliott there's just so much over the years. I will send you a few choice bits of connective tissue. I just sent the first on X.. Not earliest. But great all around foundations into him his dealings the whole Atlantic Bridge network. The guests at the fundraising round table.. Etc. Just remembered Alec... See on X. What will just keep adding there. https://x.com/i/status/2041855330427039907

Greg Olear's avatar

Thank you! God, he looks like such a dick.

Cathy @narcaware's avatar

You're amazing as always.. Outstanding piece of journalism that just closed so many weird fucking loops for me. Brilliant. Really.

Greg Olear's avatar

Thank you! I think the timeline, with the names stripped away, is especially helpful. It helped me...

JDinTX's avatar

Opened up some more for me. Anybody sending out a search party for Hilda, hahaha

cal lash's avatar

May all the banana human players mentioned here be infected with Panama fungus.

Greg Olear's avatar

Inshallah.

Earl Heflinger's avatar

I have a feeling that the majority of the criminals referenced herein, to keep with your theme, “ain’t gonna show.” I’m hoping that the positive thing to come out of the horrific time we’re living in, if there is one, will be enough people waking up that some of the societal guardrails will be reestablished and strengthened. I’m not naive enough to expect the elimination of corruption in the world, but I hope we can at least keep most of it out of the Oval Office.

Greg Olear's avatar

I agree...twice on the pipe.

One thing, though...there are certainly people in Honduras who are good and honest brokers. The Supreme Court there seems to be, if not perfect, orders of magnitude better than our little fascist rubber-stamp machine. I found some hope there.

MaryPat's avatar

Wow. Incredible work. Explains a LOT, sadly. Thank You.

Greg Olear's avatar

Thanks, MaryPat.

MaryPat's avatar

Shared.

Gandalf the Blue's avatar

Well, this is another nice glimpse into the corrupted worlds of government, business, and crime you've gotten us into, Ollie.

Seriously: bring back that old time religion to put the fear of God (consequences) into these mofos.

Alas, corruption is as old as the serpent talking Eve into eating the apple (wasn't an apple--okay, wasn't even Eve. When did corruption first appear? When Ugh started "pocketing" grapes during meals in the cave and then sneaking out at night to exchange them for cleaner water from Argh, whose tribe was near a better well?)

If I were on Artemis II, I'd try to talk my crew mates into looping around Earth, going back to the moon and land near the craters where there's water, and set up camp. Eventually they build a rover to collect enough electronic parts from the leftover Apollo missions equipment and unmanned probes to build a laser to blast anyone else from Earth coming to the moon, so they can just start the human race over. Rule #1: keep the community small, so they can keep an eye on each other and jump on any glimmer of corruption.

And on that happy fantasy, I bid you all, adieu!

Greg Olear's avatar

Like Lord Acton said, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The thing about the moon is, there's no good restaurants, and the wifi is really spotty. Roatán is a lot nicer. But, you know, Devil's Island ain't too far away from there. One man's island paradise is another man's Alcatraz...

JDinTX's avatar

Humor may get us through, although it needs to be sardonic because I left sarcastic behind long ago.

Cathy @narcaware's avatar

Wish I had the skill and discipline to order my brain.

Greg Olear's avatar

I only manage it in short bursts, unfortunately...