Mass deportation and "freedom cities" on federal land: Trump's Hitlerian proposals to address the housing crisis are worse than the housing crisis itself.
Very interesting. As with everything dipshit 45, there exists analogies that are completely wrong but can be used to reinforce 45's insanity. I live in an area called RTP, research triangle park. It's boundaries are loosely based on the three universities that form the points of the triangle, University of North Carolina, Duke and North Carolina State. Titans of industry have taken advantage of significant tax breaks to relocate here, such as Glaxo and IBM, more recently Apple and biotech. This has revolutionized the Wake County area, although we are now feeling the squeeze, more people, mostly families relocating here, too few houses available and essentials such as water in some parts in short supply such that my monthly water bill as grown by a factor of 5 times in eight years, the monopolistic supplier preferring to pay higher dividends and increase their share buyback program than invest in infrastructure while a compliant utility commission grants their every wish for rate increases.
The point, twofold. Yes this State sponsored program has been a huge success but is the bain, not the blessing intended. More importantly some locals use it as justification that 45's ill conceived network housing plan can work. Sadly there is little to no similarities between RTP and network yet the former false equivalency is used to justify the latter. As with all things the lying bastards 45 and couchman say, somewhere far beneath the surface MAGA-NUTS find a semblance of something to justify their insanity. Western NC suffered massive destruction from Helene, yes folks as part of a total program got an initial $750 payment. On the news and in adverts talk is, $750 to those devastated by Helene while FEMA is giving illegal immigrants a lot more. Once again a lie that throws out the window the reality of a well intentioned program. Even our Republican Senator pushes back on the lie, alas to little or no good.
My plan to solve housing, taken from the Hitler playbook, we invade Canada, send their residents to camps and make their housing available to US citizens, of course only those true Americans, you know white folks with no trace of foreign blood in the veins, I guess this equals none of our 330 million citizens. This is called a concept of a plan.
Born and raised in Lenoir, NC, a small town at the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains which is surrounded by the Pisgah Nat’l Forest. Asheville, Boone, and Blowing Rock are not far away. Lenoir got hit also. I have a few friends there and in Hendersonville. This was scary stuff. Never ever did we have this type of weather when I was growing up! You think people will build along the river again?
My heart goes out to your friends in NC, a massive blow to such a beautiful piece of the US. Republicans at 45's beckoning are doing all they can to make people despair even more than they should. I have never seen such evil as is Donald J Trump, the devil incarnate! SO SAD!
Asheville native here. The republicans in the legislature beginning in 2010 with their takeover began rewriting climate change out of scientific papers as well as making it easier to build in what were known to be dangerous areas. Post Covid all sorts of people moved into our mountains looking for escapes from the big cities. This led to a housing crunch and an infrastructure overload that was already being pushed to the max as it was. Rents and housing costs were out of all reason. We were listed as the most expensive area to live in the state. Having seen the handwriting on the wall after my husband’s death, I made the decision to move from my lifelong home, my mountains, last year. I made a nice profit on my manufactured home, sold almost everything and left. Seeing the devastation has been heartbreaking but fighting the garbage that trump and co. has been as bad. Even our representatives, republicans, are sick of it.
Not sure where I was going with this but had to write. I hope Kamala and Tim stomp a mud hole in his lying face in Nov.
They ruin everything, these science denying Republicans. Everything they touch is ruined.
As I said in the above comment, our friends in Asheville, who are on the muni water system, were told they will have no water FOR A YEAR. How does one go on under those circumstances? I'm glad that you left when you did, but I'm sure that is small consolation with all of that destruction. It's all so heartbreaking.
You know what's the best part of your Canadian annexation plan? Global warming will make it less cold there and therefore more desirable. Take that, libtards!
I visited Wake Forest when I was looking at colleges. That is a lovely, lovely part of the country. It's sad to hear that. I think state tax breaks should be illegal.
I know it's impossible, but I'd like to give up on replying to anyone about anything to do with Trump/MAGA GOP, because it can all be condensed into one, short response: He/They are dangerous nuts. I'd also like to be fair and comment on the "blue" faction's contributions to housing problems. Because of high prices and a housing shortage, our town has new rules aimed at suddenly allowing residents to create "accessory dwelling units" on their property. As a designer, I've always thought that good design should be for everyone. In my daydreams, I'd like to build a well-designed ADU for low-income rental. Ha ha ha. Greed and insanity make that impossible. Due to rabid building, zero major white-collar businesses, and greed gone wild, construction workers in big pick-ups with MAGA stickers have become the new wealth class -- quite a few of them, recent immigrants who make more than many airline pilots. I can't afford their prices -- not for building an ADU, and soon, not for maintaining my own residence. At the same time, our blue government has enacted so many absurd "green" and "for your own good" rules that, despite the few new ADU concessions, it's almost impossible to build. Then we have the global prime mover of sky-high housing costs: Airbnb. Airbnb has caused world-wide housing and tourism chaos. Its low prices have flooded the world with so many tourists that, in one well-known location, frustrated residents banded together and "shot" tourists with water pistols. Except for hotels, big business hasn't wanted to stop the torrents of tourists, so corporate-sponsored local government hasn't been helping. Except governments are starting to pay more attention because even their infrastructure is overwhelmed. Our town sees this and, spurred on by hotels, has started to fight the Airbnb syndrome. In our tourist town, I'd love to rent out my envisioned ADU structure for mega-bucks nightly, but with the new rules, it's forbidden. Only long-term rental. So, here sits my vacant land, I'm willing, I'm interested in supplying a housing unit, but I can't afford to build. So, in short, thanks to the magic triad of Airbnb driving up housing prices, blue-green government driving up building prices, and construction-worker greed driving up labor rates, more and more people are taking up residence in cardboard boxes. What does this have to do with Trump? People see Blue Government enacting ridiculous rules that drive up building costs. Here, long-time-local homeless see Blue Government filling swimming-pool-equipped hotels with illegal immigrants while telling locals, "Sorry, no room for you." Rather than spend all of our energy criticizing Trump/MAGA, should we clean up our own backyards as well?
Thanks for this, Maureen. The well-intentioned policies of Team Blue are, as you say, too often ridden with unintended consequences. Airbnb is tricky. On the one hand, it has decimated rental markets, which disproportionately affects lower income people. On the other, why should the government get to tell me what I can and can't do on my own property? It's funny you mention this, because my wife just this week was mentioning her idea of getting a "Scamp," which is this kind of high-end camper, and installing it in our (large enough and well located) backyard. An ADU, I believe. I'm not sure how that contributes to the housing crisis...if anything, it would alleviate it, by offering one more unit that would attract tourists and keep them away from other houses. I think if one lives on a piece of property, one should be able to rent an ADU, period. That's no different from letting a room in your house, fundamentally. It's when there are houses being bought up and conglomerated to use this way that there are problems...
Frankly, I don't think Vance or Trump have really been on foot in any western US deserts. There's a reason they are deserts...no water: little surface water and not much subsurface for wells.
Where there is water...that is, say, a river or lake, there are towns and sometimes cities. Throw in little rain or snow due to their dry atmospheric make-up and long term weather patterns, and you have a tough situation for all but the most hardy plant life, fewer animals and humans. But you do have plenty of dust, thorns and cacti of every sort and many insects and snakes and very hardy wildlife.
If you're self-contained like in an RV, like one of the regular commenters here, deserts are interesting and often beautiful places where you can see the stars and Milky Way without light pollution amid great peace and quiet. Most deserts are a long way from anywhere, without paved roads. What the idea of this represents is a bankrupt idealism and projection by urban blind boys. Water and shade are essential in the west and, if you don't know that, you've definitely been standing in the sun too damn long.
Ha! Well put, Billy. This is why I think, insofar as they've thought this through at all, their plan is to confiscate more Native American land. That's the most livable of the "federal land." Unless we want to start chopping down forests in WA.
So Greg, you touched on the Hitler aspect and that threw me because my parents were Holocaust victims from Poland (dad) and mom (Berlin). In Germany, Jews were not allowed to own their homes but could certainly occupy them until the SS took the inhabitants to camps. That happened to my grandparents. In 1942, they were gassed at Chelmno, a specific gas camp in Poland.
Housing in CA is a problem and my city is the only one in the state that has not presented a viable plan to build affordable residences. A few years back, longtime homeowners were being encouraged to sell their homes to younger populations. Where would old folks go? Arizona where they’d sweat their asses off? I am a boomer as my kids call us. They said we are the problem, not the solution. We just want to live out our lives in the house we love and have nurtured for almost 50 years. We are alive and vital human beings! In 1978, the people in our state passed a property tax bill called Prop 13. This was dreamed up by a right-leaning Howard Jarvis, that held property taxes at 1976 tax rates and could not be reassessed. I voted against it because I knew it would harm the infrastructure of housing, wages, city jobs, and streets. It passed. We bought our home in 1976 and so, now in our 70’s, I have a love-hate relationship with Prop 13.
Definition of this proposition:
Proposition 13 (officially named the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation) is an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process, to cap property taxes and limit property reassessments to when the property changes ownership, and to require a 2/3 majority for tax increases in the state legislature. The initiative was approved by California voters in a primary election on June 6, 1978, by a nearly two to one margin. It was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1992 in Nordlinger v. Hahn, 505 U.S. 1 (1992). Proposition 13 is embodied in Article XIII A of the Constitution of the State of California.[1]
Jarvis...I recognize that name. He is a key figure in the tax book I read a few months ago, the Gaertz book. What a character.
I have resolved to stop reading about Nazis, at least until the election. Trump and Vance and MAGA are Nazis, they are appropriating Nazi policies and using Nazi propaganda techniques, and if they win, will go Hitler on 1 in 13 residents, and probably a lot more. It scares the hell out of me. I'm so sorry about your parents.
I have always lived in buildings. Sometimes I rented and thanks f to luck and good fortune, sometimes I owned. Owning is usually better. But really nice places can be rented as well.
What dictated my choice of living arrangements was almost always my finances. Given a reasonable minimum, basic income and minimum basic wage people will make reasonable choices regarding regards their housing. Market conditions will follow needs.
When you give poor people, cash, they will spend it almost immediately giving in the economy of boost. Rich people getting money, on the other hand,will just bank the money and sit on it.
Important column Greg. That the guy that would be King wants to use Public Land is an abomination. I wish more people would leave the cult. And I hope Michael Moore is right - that Trump is toast in this election.
I think he's right. Trump is not gaining any votes, but Kamala is going to get more than Biden did. The media dismissed Roe/Dobbs as a story months ago, but women in the country have not forgotten it. KH going on the Call Your daddy podcast and Howard Stern is really important, more so than sitting for an interview with Maggie Haberman or whoever. And, finally: people are sick to death of Trump. Who wants four years of listening to that crazy asshole?
Okay, so this is the most terrifying post read so far. It took me two days to read it because it was too uncomfortable! Houses vacated by deportation and likely deaths, inhabited by magats! Countries within our country! How would they defend their country? Would they take all the water? Probably. All the arable land? Probably. Dystopian, but possible. Really difficult for me to wrap my head around this. I did read about the proposed California enclave of tech billionaires. Glad to hear people have taken a stand against it, but for how long? If MAGATS win, then what? I think Octavia Butler was on to something.
Sure, open the Central Nevada desert public lands to builders! They will be so eager to go build homes, and sewage systems, and roads, and water lines and power plants--already those houses will cost more (forgeddabout profits) than most people can afford. And will the government provide the schools, jobs, hospitals, grocery stores, gas stations, etc to make these places somewhere you can actually carry on a life? With whose taxes? Or maybe the government will require the developers to provide all this. So now the homes cost more than even tech bros can afford--and they have lots of places they can afford that don't have temperatures regularly over 100.
It’s TUESDAY🎉
Thank you, Greg
1. Trump's goal is to evade prison
2. Trump was trained by Roy Cohn
3. Chaos works best for him and Putin
Very interesting. As with everything dipshit 45, there exists analogies that are completely wrong but can be used to reinforce 45's insanity. I live in an area called RTP, research triangle park. It's boundaries are loosely based on the three universities that form the points of the triangle, University of North Carolina, Duke and North Carolina State. Titans of industry have taken advantage of significant tax breaks to relocate here, such as Glaxo and IBM, more recently Apple and biotech. This has revolutionized the Wake County area, although we are now feeling the squeeze, more people, mostly families relocating here, too few houses available and essentials such as water in some parts in short supply such that my monthly water bill as grown by a factor of 5 times in eight years, the monopolistic supplier preferring to pay higher dividends and increase their share buyback program than invest in infrastructure while a compliant utility commission grants their every wish for rate increases.
The point, twofold. Yes this State sponsored program has been a huge success but is the bain, not the blessing intended. More importantly some locals use it as justification that 45's ill conceived network housing plan can work. Sadly there is little to no similarities between RTP and network yet the former false equivalency is used to justify the latter. As with all things the lying bastards 45 and couchman say, somewhere far beneath the surface MAGA-NUTS find a semblance of something to justify their insanity. Western NC suffered massive destruction from Helene, yes folks as part of a total program got an initial $750 payment. On the news and in adverts talk is, $750 to those devastated by Helene while FEMA is giving illegal immigrants a lot more. Once again a lie that throws out the window the reality of a well intentioned program. Even our Republican Senator pushes back on the lie, alas to little or no good.
My plan to solve housing, taken from the Hitler playbook, we invade Canada, send their residents to camps and make their housing available to US citizens, of course only those true Americans, you know white folks with no trace of foreign blood in the veins, I guess this equals none of our 330 million citizens. This is called a concept of a plan.
Over and out for today.
Born and raised in Lenoir, NC, a small town at the foothills of the Blue Ridge Mountains which is surrounded by the Pisgah Nat’l Forest. Asheville, Boone, and Blowing Rock are not far away. Lenoir got hit also. I have a few friends there and in Hendersonville. This was scary stuff. Never ever did we have this type of weather when I was growing up! You think people will build along the river again?
My heart goes out to your friends in NC, a massive blow to such a beautiful piece of the US. Republicans at 45's beckoning are doing all they can to make people despair even more than they should. I have never seen such evil as is Donald J Trump, the devil incarnate! SO SAD!
Our friends in Asheville, who are on the municipal water system, were told they won't have water FOR A YEAR. This is awful, just awful.
Asheville native here. The republicans in the legislature beginning in 2010 with their takeover began rewriting climate change out of scientific papers as well as making it easier to build in what were known to be dangerous areas. Post Covid all sorts of people moved into our mountains looking for escapes from the big cities. This led to a housing crunch and an infrastructure overload that was already being pushed to the max as it was. Rents and housing costs were out of all reason. We were listed as the most expensive area to live in the state. Having seen the handwriting on the wall after my husband’s death, I made the decision to move from my lifelong home, my mountains, last year. I made a nice profit on my manufactured home, sold almost everything and left. Seeing the devastation has been heartbreaking but fighting the garbage that trump and co. has been as bad. Even our representatives, republicans, are sick of it.
Not sure where I was going with this but had to write. I hope Kamala and Tim stomp a mud hole in his lying face in Nov.
Good luck, likewise these oldsters are looking for hopefully our last move. Daunting task to say the least
They ruin everything, these science denying Republicans. Everything they touch is ruined.
As I said in the above comment, our friends in Asheville, who are on the muni water system, were told they will have no water FOR A YEAR. How does one go on under those circumstances? I'm glad that you left when you did, but I'm sure that is small consolation with all of that destruction. It's all so heartbreaking.
You know what's the best part of your Canadian annexation plan? Global warming will make it less cold there and therefore more desirable. Take that, libtards!
I visited Wake Forest when I was looking at colleges. That is a lovely, lovely part of the country. It's sad to hear that. I think state tax breaks should be illegal.
"At the VP debate that was somehow only a week ago today"
I had to check the date three times.
I know it's impossible, but I'd like to give up on replying to anyone about anything to do with Trump/MAGA GOP, because it can all be condensed into one, short response: He/They are dangerous nuts. I'd also like to be fair and comment on the "blue" faction's contributions to housing problems. Because of high prices and a housing shortage, our town has new rules aimed at suddenly allowing residents to create "accessory dwelling units" on their property. As a designer, I've always thought that good design should be for everyone. In my daydreams, I'd like to build a well-designed ADU for low-income rental. Ha ha ha. Greed and insanity make that impossible. Due to rabid building, zero major white-collar businesses, and greed gone wild, construction workers in big pick-ups with MAGA stickers have become the new wealth class -- quite a few of them, recent immigrants who make more than many airline pilots. I can't afford their prices -- not for building an ADU, and soon, not for maintaining my own residence. At the same time, our blue government has enacted so many absurd "green" and "for your own good" rules that, despite the few new ADU concessions, it's almost impossible to build. Then we have the global prime mover of sky-high housing costs: Airbnb. Airbnb has caused world-wide housing and tourism chaos. Its low prices have flooded the world with so many tourists that, in one well-known location, frustrated residents banded together and "shot" tourists with water pistols. Except for hotels, big business hasn't wanted to stop the torrents of tourists, so corporate-sponsored local government hasn't been helping. Except governments are starting to pay more attention because even their infrastructure is overwhelmed. Our town sees this and, spurred on by hotels, has started to fight the Airbnb syndrome. In our tourist town, I'd love to rent out my envisioned ADU structure for mega-bucks nightly, but with the new rules, it's forbidden. Only long-term rental. So, here sits my vacant land, I'm willing, I'm interested in supplying a housing unit, but I can't afford to build. So, in short, thanks to the magic triad of Airbnb driving up housing prices, blue-green government driving up building prices, and construction-worker greed driving up labor rates, more and more people are taking up residence in cardboard boxes. What does this have to do with Trump? People see Blue Government enacting ridiculous rules that drive up building costs. Here, long-time-local homeless see Blue Government filling swimming-pool-equipped hotels with illegal immigrants while telling locals, "Sorry, no room for you." Rather than spend all of our energy criticizing Trump/MAGA, should we clean up our own backyards as well?
Thanks for this, Maureen. The well-intentioned policies of Team Blue are, as you say, too often ridden with unintended consequences. Airbnb is tricky. On the one hand, it has decimated rental markets, which disproportionately affects lower income people. On the other, why should the government get to tell me what I can and can't do on my own property? It's funny you mention this, because my wife just this week was mentioning her idea of getting a "Scamp," which is this kind of high-end camper, and installing it in our (large enough and well located) backyard. An ADU, I believe. I'm not sure how that contributes to the housing crisis...if anything, it would alleviate it, by offering one more unit that would attract tourists and keep them away from other houses. I think if one lives on a piece of property, one should be able to rent an ADU, period. That's no different from letting a room in your house, fundamentally. It's when there are houses being bought up and conglomerated to use this way that there are problems...
"... we have a lot of federal lands that aren’t being used for anything". Trillions of insect, plant, and wildlife inhabitants beg to differ.
Agree
Rick, we won't stop until we kill all life on the planet except the rats and the cockroaches, who shall inherit the earth.
Frankly, I don't think Vance or Trump have really been on foot in any western US deserts. There's a reason they are deserts...no water: little surface water and not much subsurface for wells.
Where there is water...that is, say, a river or lake, there are towns and sometimes cities. Throw in little rain or snow due to their dry atmospheric make-up and long term weather patterns, and you have a tough situation for all but the most hardy plant life, fewer animals and humans. But you do have plenty of dust, thorns and cacti of every sort and many insects and snakes and very hardy wildlife.
If you're self-contained like in an RV, like one of the regular commenters here, deserts are interesting and often beautiful places where you can see the stars and Milky Way without light pollution amid great peace and quiet. Most deserts are a long way from anywhere, without paved roads. What the idea of this represents is a bankrupt idealism and projection by urban blind boys. Water and shade are essential in the west and, if you don't know that, you've definitely been standing in the sun too damn long.
Ha! Well put, Billy. This is why I think, insofar as they've thought this through at all, their plan is to confiscate more Native American land. That's the most livable of the "federal land." Unless we want to start chopping down forests in WA.
So Greg, you touched on the Hitler aspect and that threw me because my parents were Holocaust victims from Poland (dad) and mom (Berlin). In Germany, Jews were not allowed to own their homes but could certainly occupy them until the SS took the inhabitants to camps. That happened to my grandparents. In 1942, they were gassed at Chelmno, a specific gas camp in Poland.
Housing in CA is a problem and my city is the only one in the state that has not presented a viable plan to build affordable residences. A few years back, longtime homeowners were being encouraged to sell their homes to younger populations. Where would old folks go? Arizona where they’d sweat their asses off? I am a boomer as my kids call us. They said we are the problem, not the solution. We just want to live out our lives in the house we love and have nurtured for almost 50 years. We are alive and vital human beings! In 1978, the people in our state passed a property tax bill called Prop 13. This was dreamed up by a right-leaning Howard Jarvis, that held property taxes at 1976 tax rates and could not be reassessed. I voted against it because I knew it would harm the infrastructure of housing, wages, city jobs, and streets. It passed. We bought our home in 1976 and so, now in our 70’s, I have a love-hate relationship with Prop 13.
Definition of this proposition:
Proposition 13 (officially named the People's Initiative to Limit Property Taxation) is an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process, to cap property taxes and limit property reassessments to when the property changes ownership, and to require a 2/3 majority for tax increases in the state legislature. The initiative was approved by California voters in a primary election on June 6, 1978, by a nearly two to one margin. It was upheld by the Supreme Court in 1992 in Nordlinger v. Hahn, 505 U.S. 1 (1992). Proposition 13 is embodied in Article XIII A of the Constitution of the State of California.[1]
Jarvis...I recognize that name. He is a key figure in the tax book I read a few months ago, the Gaertz book. What a character.
I have resolved to stop reading about Nazis, at least until the election. Trump and Vance and MAGA are Nazis, they are appropriating Nazi policies and using Nazi propaganda techniques, and if they win, will go Hitler on 1 in 13 residents, and probably a lot more. It scares the hell out of me. I'm so sorry about your parents.
I tried to warn you!
Thomas Malthus
You did!
I have always lived in buildings. Sometimes I rented and thanks f to luck and good fortune, sometimes I owned. Owning is usually better. But really nice places can be rented as well.
What dictated my choice of living arrangements was almost always my finances. Given a reasonable minimum, basic income and minimum basic wage people will make reasonable choices regarding regards their housing. Market conditions will follow needs.
When you give poor people, cash, they will spend it almost immediately giving in the economy of boost. Rich people getting money, on the other hand,will just bank the money and sit on it.
Wealth redistribution is what is indicated. GOP will NEVER do that. Dems must.
So my idea, fuck the hitler folk, is to pump money into the bottom layer of society and see what happens. Billserle.com
Agreed.
28 fucking days.
[insert poster of "28 Days Later"]
Important column Greg. That the guy that would be King wants to use Public Land is an abomination. I wish more people would leave the cult. And I hope Michael Moore is right - that Trump is toast in this election.
Thanks, Claudia.
I think he's right. Trump is not gaining any votes, but Kamala is going to get more than Biden did. The media dismissed Roe/Dobbs as a story months ago, but women in the country have not forgotten it. KH going on the Call Your daddy podcast and Howard Stern is really important, more so than sitting for an interview with Maggie Haberman or whoever. And, finally: people are sick to death of Trump. Who wants four years of listening to that crazy asshole?
I live in Texas. They are not sick of Trump.
Okay, so this is the most terrifying post read so far. It took me two days to read it because it was too uncomfortable! Houses vacated by deportation and likely deaths, inhabited by magats! Countries within our country! How would they defend their country? Would they take all the water? Probably. All the arable land? Probably. Dystopian, but possible. Really difficult for me to wrap my head around this. I did read about the proposed California enclave of tech billionaires. Glad to hear people have taken a stand against it, but for how long? If MAGATS win, then what? I think Octavia Butler was on to something.
Sure, open the Central Nevada desert public lands to builders! They will be so eager to go build homes, and sewage systems, and roads, and water lines and power plants--already those houses will cost more (forgeddabout profits) than most people can afford. And will the government provide the schools, jobs, hospitals, grocery stores, gas stations, etc to make these places somewhere you can actually carry on a life? With whose taxes? Or maybe the government will require the developers to provide all this. So now the homes cost more than even tech bros can afford--and they have lots of places they can afford that don't have temperatures regularly over 100.
Sound like a plan. Or at least a concept.