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Greg Olear's avatar

And tourism is down under DeSantis...

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Greg Olear's avatar

Good point, Rick.

And yes, he's so old. SMH!

Bill serle's avatar

My education continues. Wow. This was the best essay I’ve ever read on the subject. Mt feeble mental wheels are spinning. Billserle.com

Lynell(VA by way of MD&DC)'s avatar

Thanks, Greg. I used to complain about taxes until my mom told me she thought of the government as a "silent partner" who needed funds to operate effectively for the benefit of the country.

Fingers crossed that Michael Graetz (and you) will help me have a better understanding of the anti-tax movement and how we can push against it. I do understand that eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy is key to most of the inequity?

Greg Olear's avatar

I mean, no one WANTS to pay taxes. No one is excited about it. But it takes a more sophisticated, evolved human to understand that it is necessary for the collective good. That it isn't theft or slavery. How many billions do these people need?

Peter's avatar

The solution to the problem is simple if, in light of the filibuster, politically impossible. Put tax rates back to pre-Reagan levels, if not Eisenhower Era levels. Tax capital gains as income. End the carried interest loophole. Raise the corporate tax rate to 52%. Rich people will still be rich. Corporations will still be profitable. But the middle class will no longer carry the entire tax burden of the country on its shoulders.

cal lash's avatar

AGREE

Chris Stafford's avatar

just to play devil's advocate, a 52% corporate tax rate would lead to a mass exodus of corporations to other countries. 10 percent of the US GDP comes from tech companies and they are pretty simple to relocate.

Peter's avatar

Good point. But...

If you couple the new tax rate with a repeal of two other Reagan Era giveways - tax deductibility of restructuring costs and deductions for income made outside the US, it becomes far less interesting from a corporate perspective.

Greg Olear's avatar

That is the fear, and the corporations have us all hostage. They can incorporate in [insert tax haven country here]. But there must be ways to discourage that.

Greg Olear's avatar

Co-sign! Thanks for spelling this out, Peter.

Any objective look at reforming the tax code would also do away with the mortgage deduction, but good luck with that...

Peter's avatar

When Trump and his collaborators passed the Tax Scam they set the SALT deduction at $10,000 they put a real crimp in the mortgage deduction. I live in a modest house in Central New York in a town with a "reasonable" tax rate and it caused my taxes to go up. The right answer is to eliminate the tax and interest deductions on non-primary residences. This would hit the second. third and fourth (or more) homes of the billionaires, and the apartments in NYC or Miami owned by Russian oligarchs or South American drug lords.

Earl Heflinger's avatar

This subject is timely (as I’m planning to take my paperwork to the tax preparer today), disturbing, and mind-bogglingly complicated. I think I’ll be happier today if I think about other things besides how the super-rich and power-hungry politicians are jerking us around.

Greg Olear's avatar

I hope you get a nice return!

Steve B's avatar

I've been forced to wonder a lot recently whether there have been generations before where I am now at 66, who hoped that all of the things that are most certainly coming, will happen after I'm dead. The many breeds and flocks of chickens on their way home to roost will have big claws.

Greg Olear's avatar

That is a wonderfully poetical last sentence, Steve. Well done.

It was Louis XV who said "apres moi, la deluge," which means, basically, after I'm dead I could give a fuck.

cal lash's avatar

Just got my refund.

SPW's avatar

You’re lucky. I’m still waiting on mine-from last year. Been talking with IRS. All nice reps but I’m getting a different story each time as to why they haven’t sent me my $1,000 refund. I’m 77, retired and could use it.

Greg Olear's avatar

My mom had this problem last year. It took over a year. No idea why.

You asked in another comment about the Whitehouse interview:

https://podcasts.apple.com/ee/podcast/captured-an-interview-with-senator-sheldon-whitehouse/id1553506699?i=1000540110863

SPW's avatar

Thanks for the link Greg.